Al Bielek, author of "The Philadelphia Experiment" Interviewed
By Jeanne Guthrie

Al Bielek in underground at Montauk Project

Guthrie (LE): Tell us about the history of the Philadelphia Experiment. You and your brother, Duncan, were naval officers aboard the ship, the Eldridge, engaged in an experiment about invisibility. Then, what happened?

Bielek: There were two tests, the first one on July 22nd, 1943. The hardware worked very well and they (the Navy) achieved invisibility from radar, sight and camera. The big problem was that the personnel stationed on the deck of the Eldridge were very badly hit by the high-powered, electromagnetic radiation. They were thoroughly disoriented. Their nervous systems dysfunctioned, and they became very ill.

LE: How do you make an object invisible?

Bielek: Displace it in time. Prevent a reflection of light or radar energy from it. If there is no reflected light and radar energy, you are not going to see it. The scientists were working with a concept of manipulating time to make an object invisible.

LE: What happened to you and to Duncan?

Bielek: We were inside the control room during the experiment. The radiation had no effect on those of us who were below deck because we were shielded by the steel.

LE: Even with the personnel problem the Navy scheduled a second test in less than a month, right?

Bielek: Yes. They (the Navy) said: "Okay. You have until the 12th of August. Do whatever you need to do to complete the experiment. This test must be finished by that date, or just forget it." It was a drop-dead date, which means finish by then or you just don't bother. They did say that they really didn't need optical invisibility, only radar. They still said that we had to meet that date. Everybody was very unhappy about it because they knew the health problem was very serious. No one knew how long it would take to solve this problem.

LE: How was the second test different from the first one?

Bielek: This one, unlike the first, was very successful in that we obtained radar invisibility after about seventy seconds. Unbeknownst to us in the control room, the ship vanished right out of the (Philadelphia) harbor. There was a nice big hole where the ship was in the water. Remember that for the second test they didn't want optical invisibility, only radar.

LE: They were not attempting to get optical invisibility, but it happened anyway?

Bielek: They only wanted radar invisibility. The ship was a haze...then "poof"....it was gone! Even the water line disappeared.

LE: Where did the ship go?

Bielek: Into hyper space.

LE: Will you define that for our readers?

Bielek: Mathematically speaking, it is a domain that is outside of our normal, three-dimensional reality. In fact, it is outside of the sixth-dimensional reality. There are three physical dimensions as we see them, and there are three time dimensions. So, the ship was outside our domain, including time. Hyper space is a nice mathematical term that says it is no where in terms of our reality. No one can accurately define where it is.

LE: Okay. The ship is in hyper space. Now what happens?

Bielek: The equipment started to go haywire after about 30 seconds. We (Bielek and his brother, Duncan) were seeing strange effects in the control room.

LE: Exactly what did you see?

Bielek: The banks of electron tubes----3000 of them in racks----started to glow in an unstable way. It was wavering, which was very unusual. Then we started getting some high voltage archovers, like many lightning bolts, even though there was no high voltage equipment in the room to cause such an effect. We tried to get someone on the radio, but we heard only static. We were on our own, so we decided to turn the equipment down. We went for the main power control handles, but they were frozen. At that time we decided to get out of the control room and to go up on deck.

LE: What did you see when you went on deck?

Bielek: A greenish haze. Sailors walking around. There was great confusion.

LE: What was happening to the other sailors?

Bielek: They were running around in circles like they were totally disoriented. They didn't know where they were or what to do....acting almost to the point of being crazy, but not quite. Obviously, they were very disturbed or neurotic. Duncan and I looked at this and decided to jump overboard and swim to shore.

LE: Why didn't you stay at your post?

Bielek: Because we couldn't shut down the equipment. We went up on deck, saw what was happening, and jumped overboard. Only we never hit the water.

LE: You were floating in hyper space at that time?

Bielek: We were floating someplace. It felt like we were falling through a tunnel. We didn't know where we were or what was going on. We experienced what seemed like two minutes of this....and I have to be totally subjective on the amount of time....we would up in a military base, standing on our feet, at night, with a chain link fence to our back.

LE: What was the name of the military base?

Bielek: The Montauk base on Long Island, New York. Only we didn't know it at the time. The next thing we knew there was a helicopter beaming a searchlight into our faces. We did not know what a helicopter was; they were still in the experimental phases in 1943. Military police ran out, grabbed us, and took us to a building. We went down several floors in an elevator, underground. An elderly civilian walked toward us and said, "Gentlemen. I've been waiting for you. I'm Dr. Von Neumann."

LE: How did you feel at this point?

Bielek: We didn't believe him. We told him that he couldn't be John Von Neumann because he is a much younger man and we left him about an hour ago. He said, "Oh, yes. I am. Unfortunately, you are no longer in 1943. This is 1983. I am 40 years older. Welcome to Montauk. This is the Phoenix Project." We still didn't believe him.

LE: What did you believe?

Bielek: We thought the guy was nuts!

LE: Did you ever think that you were taken from the ship, brainwashed, and placed in this very unusual scenario?

Bielek: A lot of thoughts went through our heads at that time. We were confused and agitated. The he (Von Neumann) took us for a "cook's tour" of the underground facility. And that is when we saw all kinds of computers, tape recorders, large screen displays, hard drives and similar equipment.

LE: Things that obviously did not exist in 1943.

Bielek: There was no such thing as even a tape recorder in the U.S. in 1943. We did not recognize any of this equipment. After the tour we watched color TV on a large screen. WE had only seen black and white (TV) up to that point. The commercials were particularly interesting. The one that sticks out in my mind was about flying to Hawaii for your next vacation in a 747 jet. There were no such jets in 1943!

LE: Seems like you were pretty emotional.

Bielek: We were getting quite upset and decided maybe the old man was Von Neumann and maybe we were in the future! We were then taken upstairs and outside where we were given a short tour of the base. But, we were not allowed to leave. They took us back to Von Neumann, who said, "Gentlemen, we have a problem. Your ship, the Eldridge, is still in hyperspace, and the bubble around it is growing. We can turnoff the equipment here at Montauk, but your ship's equipment is still running and feeding the hyperspace bubble. Unless it breaks down, there is enough fuel on board to run the generator for 30 days."

LE: What would happen if the hyperspace had continued to grow?

Bielek: He told us that it could grow large enough to engulf the entire planet.

LE: So, the Earth would be in hyperspace somewhere past the sixth dimension?

Bielek: Yes, out of our normal space. Who knows what would happen then. So, they had to do something to prevent it from growing. They decided to send us back to the ship so we could smash the equipment. They said that they had complete control over space and time at Montauk, and that they could send us anywhere and to any time.

LE: They had a time machine that you walked into and were transported elsewhere?

Bielek: Yes. They did. It was a time tunnel, actually more than a time machine. We didn't believe them, but they did send us back to the deck of the Eldridge with instructions to smash the equipment anyway that we could, in order to turn it off.

LE: One minute you were watching color TV. The next minute they are sending you and Duncan back to the ship deck full of crazy sailors. How did that make you feel?

Bielek: Not very good. We went back to the ship to smash the equipment, not really knowing what was going to happen.

LE: How did you destroy the machines?

Bielek: We got axes and started smashing tubes, tube banks, and smaller equipment. Eventually, the generator wound down.

LE: And you returned to third dimensional reality?

Bielek: Before the ship re-emerged in the harbor, however, we went out on deck and saw sailors buried in the steel deck and bulkhead. One of them was our younger brother.

LE: Why did people get stuck in the walls?

Bielek: Because of the process of re-materializing out of hyperspace into our reality. As the fields collapsed, the molecular structure of the sailor's bodies was also shifting. If they were moving around, and a lot of them were, they would be in a fluid state until they re-materialized. If they were floating around hear a wall when it re-materialized, they would be stuck in it.

LE: How did you and Duncan escape this tragedy?

Bielek: We didn't, totally. Our little brother Jim died that way (stuck in steel). And Duncan didn't stay (on board). He jumped overboard again, before the fields finally collapsed, and would up someplace in 1983 or around that time period.

LE: Did Duncan leave again because of what happened to your brother Jim?

Bielek: Yes. Jim died when he got stuck in a bulkhead. Duncan disappeared back into the future. I stayed there (on board ship), and eventually the fields re-materialized.

LE: You could have jumped overboard too.

Bielek: I could have. Duncan was expecting me to. I didn't for one reason. I saw Jim there, crying, with his head and shoulders out of the steel. So, I put my arms around him and he died that way.

LE: You lost both of your brothers and traveled forty years in time. That's enough to drive the average Joe on the street crazy.

Bielek: Yes, if it were the "average Joe on the street," he probably would have gone insane. I stayed sane, perhaps, because of my naval training. Maybe I was selected for the job by somebody who know more than I did. I often speculated, "Why me?"

LE: Why do you think?

Bielek: Maybe because of my father. He had been a career Navy man. He also was smuggling Jewish scientists out of Germany during WWII. One of them happen to be Herman C. Untermann, who later became director of the Montauk Project from 1977 to 1983.

LE: Where you were in 1983 did you find out who won the war (WWII) and bring back some military information?

Bielek: Oh, yes. They told us we had won the war, and were in a Cold War with Russia, and had been on the moon.

LE: Did they tell you anything that could change events?

Bielek: No. There is a problem with doing that, called the time-loop. Our being there physically (in the future) violated the flow of time and created time ripples. If we had brought back knowledge to change the history of the war or speed it up we could have caused a closed-loop time paradox, in which interfering with the past sufficiently could change the future. In doing so, the person in the future could have changed where he had been.

LE: What is the "present" when you travel in time?

Bielek: The "present" is where you are. Your reference is where you were born. A "time lock" occurs at the time of conception. Even if you move up and down the time stream, you still have the same reference point.

LE: Why do you think this happened to you and Duncan?

Bielek: We've never been able to answer that. It may have been planned, but not by us or anyone else on the ship. There were two others who jumped overboard, but they disintegrated.

LE: What differences did you sense about yourself when you went back to 1943?

Bielek: My mental outlook had drastically changed. Physically I did not feel any difference.

LE: Did you witness any alien intervention?

Bielek: I did not see any aliens in 1943. We found out since then that they (aliens) were there. I have a picture of Valiant Thor, a being from beneath the surface of Venue, taken from the Eldridge. I plan to show that photograph at the Asheville, North Carolina Expo. However, the aliens were heavily involved with Montauk. They were there---visible---mostly from 1973 to 1983, assisting with the time tunnels.

LE: How did the aliens benefit?

Bielek: The aliens were the ones who transmitted the drop-dead date of August 12, 1943 down the chain of command working on the Philadelphia Experiment. When the time travel occurred it caused a rift in space-time, but it did not destroy it. That hole allowed alien ships from other domains to come through in large numbers and sizes. The rift was created when Montauk locked with the Philadelphia Experiment. But, they (the government) couldn't have done so without the alien help, especially for the super hardware needed.

LE: So, that is why you conclude that aliens were involved with the project in 1943?

Bielek: Yes, to allow the two experiments to lock.

LE: Do you consider these aliens to be of a negative nature?

Bielek: Basically, yes.

LE: What proof do you have of the alien intervention?

Bielek: The government does have photos. Physically, I saw the aliens when I was in the Montauk underground.

LE: You are very vocal about what you know. Why do you think you are not interfered with?

Bielek: Perhaps because of my time travel with Duncan and the time-loop problem. They (the government) doesn't dare touch us until 2003.

LE: Why 2003?

Bielek: It is 20 years after the 1983 incident. Time equations show that, because of the Earth's biorhythms, it takes 20 years for the whole thing to stabilize down to the way it was before any of this happened. We don't have to worry about the past, just the future. If this time-hole isn't dampened by something in 2003 it could flare up again and get worse.

LE: Are you and Duncan the "dampening factor?"

Bielek: Yes.

LE: What happens if you die before 2003?

Bielek: Depending on how close it is to 2003, the effect could be a very unstabilizing and unsettling event for Earth.

LE: That's a big statement. If you go, so does the Earth?

Bielek: The government won't let us die.

LE: Assuming that you and Duncan are still alive on August 12, 2003, what could happen?

Bielek: The whole thing becomes stable and probably shuts down, unless someone builds hardware to extend it.

LE: Is there a price on your head after August 12, 2003?

Bielek: Theoretically, there could be a price on my head now because I have been so open in talking about these projects...the Philadelphia Experiment and the Montauk Project. But, I have never been approached by a government agent and they have never threatened me. But they have threatened others.

LE: Why do you think that the government allows you to speak so openly?

Bielek: I really can't answer that. I have said enough that other people have been nailed for, but they never say "boo" to me.

LE: Why should people believe your incredible story?

Bielek: Do your own homework and research. There's a lot of documentation available.